by William Skink
How is the neverTrump resistance able to ignore the growing evidence of FBI/DOJ misconduct? It helps that the media continues framing criticism of the FBI as a Republican campaign to discredit these institutions solely to protect Trump.
Stepping outside the blinding tribalism of American politics allows one to see the utter corruption of both parties. Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump exist on the same plane of moral depravity and political opportunism–a statement that probably sounds absurd to partisans.
But to those same partisans it doesn’t seem to matter one bit that HRC reportedly protected a lecherous campaign staffer. The Grammy spot for this two-time presidential loser is something to be cheered.
The resistance has thrown in on one side of a political civil war I want no part in. I do not believe in the ends justifying the means. I am greatly troubled that a bullshit dossier was used by their political opposition to unmask Americans in order to spy on them.
I feel it necessary to point out one can have these opinions while still opposing Trump’s presidency, which I absolutely do. Trump is as much a swamp creature as the Clintons. Those who think otherwise must embrace increasingly fantastical thinking, like the growing belief in “The Storm”, a grand conspiracy that posits some pretty ridiculous things.
Equally ridiculous, though, is the hope that corrupt institutions like the FBI can operate in a non-corrupt manner to oust a President. If that happens, and the neverTrump resistance accepts that the ends justify the means, it won’t just be a political civil war between two parties.
Does the resistance understand this?
JC
Why is everyone protesting wrong? It’s a real problem.
I guess the “bullshit dossier” you refer to is the Steele dossier. Are you saying some or all of it is untrue? When Buzzfeed released it, they acknowledged that there were small factual errors in it and that much of it had not been confirmed. But now, apparently, much of it has been confirmed by our intelligence agencies.
Speaking of which, as an anti-war and civil rights protester in the 60s and 70s, I remember the FBI being mobilized against us. I was visited by them and they asked acquaintances questions about me. And they did far worse to Black Panthers and other more militant civil rights organizations. So I have no illusions about their being necessarily a force for good.
While I’m always skeptical of the FBI’s motives, I’m not impressed by the implication that they are merely a hit team working for the Democrats. There are real questions about the Trump organization’s connections to criminal Russian oligarchs and officials. It will eventually be proven, I suspect, that Trump was involved in at least money laundering. “Collusion” is hard to prove, but it’s obvious that Trump has tried to undermine the Mueller investigation into his and his family’s interactions with Russian agents prior to and just after the election of 2016. Jared Kushner really did try to establish a secret communications link between the Trump campaign and Russia through the Russian embassy. Trump Jr. and others really did meet in Trump Tower with Russian operatives to get dirt on Hillary. Trump Sr. really did help draft a letter lying about the purpose of this meeting.
All of this is not merely a concoction of the mainstream press (minus Fox). Trump is now panicking and striking out at the FBI in a transparent effort to protect his criminal ass. He will do anything to obstruct justice and Republicans are fully willing to help him.
Turner, it’s obvious there is nothing there, and you must realize by now, as the Hillary sycophants do, that they opened up Pandoras Box, and that she will probably making a plea deal next year.
How can you say that “it’s obvious there is nothing there”? What about Don Jr’s meeting with Russian operatives in Trump Tower, the one where he said he’s “love it” if the Russians could help them get dirt on Hillary? What about Trump drafting a response to those concerned about the his son’s meeting that was full of lies? What about Kershner trying to set up a secret back-channel to Russian through the Russian Embassy? What about Trump telling a newsman he fired Comey because of “this Russian thing”? What about Trump telling Russian diplomats in the Oval Office that soon the cloud of the Russian investigation would be off him soon? I don’t necessarily think espionage is involved here. But the Trump family and Russian gangsters, including Putin, are thick as thieves.
You can change the subject to Hillary Clinton if you want to, but it’s an obvious and desperate deflection.
They have been spying on, and investigating President Trump for almost two years. If there was anything there, we would have heard about it.
Civil war, Sultan Knish – It’s not guns that make a civil war. It’s politics. Guns are how a civil war ends. Politics is how it begins. How do civil wars happen? Two or more sides disagree on who runs the country. And they can’t settle the question through elections because they don’t even agree that elections are how you decide who’s in charge. That’s the basic issue here. Who decides who runs the country? When you hate each other but accept the election results, you have a country. When you stop accepting election results, you have a countdown to a civil war. The only consistent thing is that leftist policies are mandatory and opposing them is illegal. Everything else is just a song and dance routine.
Turner, I am not saying Trump is not tied to shady people. I am saying paid opposition research being used to unmask American citizens and spy on them before and after the election by those citizen’s political adversaries is very concerning, and the near total inability of Democrats and their supporters to understand this is equally concerning.
nearly half of the country is questioning the credibility of the FBI, and the other half blindly dismiss it as a political protection scheme for Trump. whatever the Russia investigation turns up won’t be believed by the first half, while anything the stupid memo says won’t be believed by the other half. where do we go from there?
I think you are barely scratching the surface JC.
The Dems don’t care about anything, as 2/3 of them were in what I call the ‘Obama Trance for 8 years, blindly supporting any damage he could do.
If The Great Leader had decided to cancel the last election, and declare himself dictator for life all the Turners in the world would have nodded and went along with it.
In Montana, as you first exposed, the Montana Dem Party laundered money for Hillary, and promised their support before the primary. And she got it.
When the Dems rigged the primary for Hillary, the Montana Dems were fine with it, then engineered a primary of their own for Singing Robbie.
Resistance? What resistance? A couple of paid for marches in Helena? Aren’t the same party cro he’s still in charge?
you are not being fair to Turner, he is far from being a blind partisan.
You are being too fair to Eric who had always been a blind partisan. I agree that Turner isn’t a blind partisan.
I’ve been accused of worse, should I ban everyone I don’t agree with?
I haven’t researched it, but I do not recall him having any problems with the actions of the Montana Dem Party.
William, when have I ever said you should ban anyone? Being too kind and banning someone aren’t the only 2 choices you have. You could be more realistic about Eric’s long and deep partisanship and not ban Eric. I’d recommend that.
I hope you have been accused of worse. If you haven’t then you haven’t really lived.
I read through the long-awaited memo, and there really isn’t much there.
I’m not sure why the Democrats were so worried about it, because there are no scathing indictments of them anywhere that I can see.
The only people who should be shaking in their boots might be whatever officials presented the phony dossier to the FISA court without telling them that it was bogus, and that the Clinton Campaign paid for it. 4 times no less. There is no law against paying somebody for opposition research.
And there was nothing in there about the Obama administration officials purposely spying on the Trump campaign to help Hillary.
So why are the Dems so upset about it? Is Trump Derangement Syndrome still that strong ? 🙂